July

 Hi Troop 136!

We finished our second week of camp and had another great week of camp.  To those Scouts and Scouters who attended camp, both camps were amazing! I know that each of you had a great time.  I thank you for attending and for making memories that you will treasure in the years to come. I want to especially thank the adults who made the summer camp experience for the Scouts one they will remember.  Thanks again to the adults for all that you do to support me and our Scouts. I will be sharing some pictures during this next week.  Stay tuned...

Next Summer Camp Dates:

Ransburg will be the week of June 26-July 2

Another week of camping was requested by several Scouts.  We will see what happens.  This will be discussed at the Troop Committee Meeting.

PLC Meeting on 7/18 and 8/1:

Plan to be at the church at 3:00 pm today.  The date and time was previously sent out in the June #2 Email.  Plan to meet until 6 pm.  We will be completing some PLC Training during this time between 3:00 and 4:30.  Between 4:30 and 6:00, we will have our normal PLC Meeting. We will meet again on August 1st at 3:00 pm to 6:00 pm.  This is when we will make our yearly plan.  If you have a Chromebook, please bring it with you for the planning session. We will have pizza for the meetings. 

Yearly Planning Meeting on 8/1:

On August 1st, we will review the feedback from the survey and create a yearly calendar.  Any Scout may attend this meeting on August 1st between 3:00 pm and 5:00 pm.  We will then have our monthly PLC Planning meeting to create the weekly plans.

Yearly Planning Meeting Survey:

Please take time to complete the survey with your Scout between now and July 31.  https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScPYDP_1rbhfPo-sqrKqgxNx9urY8-McWwAPmljoCZhnSD5eA/viewform

Troop Meetings:

Troop Meetings continue to meet for the rest of the summer on Tuesday nights beginning at 7:00 pm.  If you need to meet with me to discuss any advancements from either summer camp, please send me an email.  I will be reviewing and updating Scoutbook website between now and the meeting on Tuesday, 7/20.  I will send out the reports to each family once I am done.

Scoutbook:

If you do not have access to Scoutbook, please let me know.  I can set you up in Scoutbook so that you have access to see your son's progress in his merit badges and rank requirements.

Flight 91 Permission Form:

Roland Guay will be the Scoutmaster for this trip.  I will not be able to attend.  Here is the permission form, but the time and cost may be changed slightly based on feedback from the July Committee Meeting on 7/18.  I will share again with any updated information that might be changed.

 Permission slip - Flight 93 August 13 - August ...

I had a discussion with a Scout at summer camp that said his parents did not know the plan for the campouts. Here is the current Yearly Plan for 2020-2021:

 Troop 136 - Yearly Plan 2020-2021

I will be sharing our 2021-2022 schedule in late August or September.  I believe planning is the key to success.  Make a plan and make it happen!

Future Information:

7/20 Troop Meeting - Activity Uniform (Class B)

7/27 Troop Meeting - Activity Uniform (Class B)

8/1 PLC Meeting (3 - 6 pm for Training and Planning)

8/1 Troop Committee Meeting

8/3 Troop Meeting - Activity Uniform (Class B)

8/10 Troop Meeting - Activity Uniform (Class B)

8/13-15 Flight 93 Trip

 Permission slip - Flight 93 August 13 - August ...

8/17 Troop Meeting - Activity Uniform (Class B)

8/22 Eagle Scout Court of Honor - Caleb Caldwell 2:30 pm arrival time

8/24 Troop Meeting - Activity Uniform (Class B)

8/29 PLC Meeting (3 - 6 pm for Training and Planning)

8/29 Troop Committee Meeting

8/31 Troop Meeting - Activity Uniform (Class B)

9/7 Troop Meeting - Field Uniform (Class A)

9/14 Troop Meeting - Field Uniform (Class A)

9/17-19 Camp Lazarus Camping Trip

9/21 Troop Meeting - Field Uniform (Class A)

9/28 Troop Meeting - Field Uniform (Class A)

10/1-3 Mt. Oval Camping and Three Eagles Shootout

10/3 PLC Meeting @ 4:30

10/3 Troop Committee Meeting

10/5 Troop Meeting - Field Uniform (Class A)

10/12 Troop Meeting - Field Uniform (Class A)

10/19 Troop Meeting - Field Uniform (Class A)

10/26 Troop Meeting - Field Uniform (Class A)

11/2 Troop Meeting - Field Uniform (Class A)

11/9 Troop Meeting - Field Uniform (Class A)

11/12-14 Air Space Museum - Wright Patterson Air Force Base 

11/16 Troop Meeting - Field Uniform (Class A)

11/23 No Meeting

June

 As we finish school and start to look toward all of the many summer activities, I want to focus on summer camp for Camp Ransburg and Chief Logan.

Camp Ransburg Summer Camp:

If you have not seen it yet, here is the 2021 Ransburg Camping Guide.  We are going here June 27-July3.

We will plan to leave at 8 am on Sunday morning. Be there at 7:30 and pack a lunch.  We will eat our lunch when we arrive at the campsite and start to set up.  This time is different from the permission slip because we need to be ready to check in at 1 pm.  

Please use this sheet to fill out your tent needs.  If you want to be by yourself, please mark it like I did with a black fill.  If you want to bring your own tent, please include your name on the list.  Please complete this by Tuesday night, June 15th!

I will not be able to check this list as I will not be able to follow up.  Please help Roland and Christa with completing your information before Tuesday night, June 15!  Please complete this so that they do not have to follow up with you by phone or email.  We need to share this with the camp on Wednesday, June 16th so that our tents are setup when we arrive.

If you still want to go, please see the two forms attached.  Work with Roland and Christa regarding payment:

 Camp Ransburg Summer Camp June 27 - July 3, 2021

Chief Logan Summer Camp:

We will plan to leave at noon unless I learn otherwise.  I will share the time with you for sure on Tuesday, July 6th:

If you still want to go, you are more than welcome to join us.  Here is the permission slip again:

 Chief Logan Summer Camp July 11 - July 17, 2021

June 15 and June 22 Meetings:

I will be gone for the next two weeks.  Roland Guay will be the Scoutmaster for the next two meetings. Christa will also help as the Committee Chair. 

Yearly Plan:

Every Scout will have the opportunity to complete a form regarding activities they want to participate in over the next 18 months.  I will share this in my next email, but here is the program guide that you might want to review with your Scout(s).  We will have your Scout choose from this list for their activities.  Scroll down when you visit the website to see the list I include in the next email:

https://troopleader.scouting.org/program-features/

PLC:

Please plan to meet between 3 pm and 6 pm on Sunday, July 18 to finalize the plan for the Yearly Plan and to prepare the next two months of meetings plans. 

May

We will be meeting inside the Family Center of the church for the Court of Honor tonight.  This is the same place we normally meet, but you will enter a different door.  Please enter the building by the door to the kitchen. If possible, please show up by 6:45 pm to help with setting up the metal chairs.  You will be asked to follow some protocols when you arrive.  There might be a temperature check station and you will be asked to wear a mask.  There will also be hand sanitizer available.  We will clean the chairs before they are put away.  Parents are welcome to attend.  We will have the chairs separated for social distancing.  There are a total of 60 people that can be in attendance at one time.  I don't anticipate that we will reach this number, but wanted to be sure to share with you the total allowed in the building.

T-Shirts for summer camp: 

We will have shirts available for purchase at the Court of Honor.  Robin Bernhardt has agreed to help.  You can bring cash or a check to pay for the shirts or you may also choose to purchase the shirts using your Scout account.  The shirts are $7.50 each or $37.50 for five shirts.  We will have all of the colors and sizes of the shirts available (Adults Small - Adult XXXL).  We wear one color for each day of summer camp.  They are the polyester and are quick to dry.  They are great shirts during the summer and winter.  In the past we have in the past only worn the Class B shirts between Memorial Day and Labor Day, but the Senior Patrol Leader gets to make that call.  :) 

Secret Trip SignUp Genius to help with the number of people for meals and tickets:

I made a sign up to help you know how much the costs would be on the trip.  There are a few of you who might not be joining us for all of the meals and for all of the events.  I thought having a way to select the meals you will be participating with the troop will help with the cost of the trip for you might be the best option.  You can opt in or out of the different meals.  The Scouts will plan to eat all of their meals with the Troop.  If you are camping in the same camp area or another camp area, you can choose your meals. Please let me know if you have any questions or need help with the signup.  Please sign up by Thursday night.  I will send out a list on Thursday night to everyone to be sure we have the totals on the trip. I understand that if you add up the total costs, it is more than the $75 that we are collecting, but the cost of the food and the cost of the reservation location may be less depending on the total number of people going.

Secret Trip Communication:

I will be sharing a Life360 app link on Tuesday, May 25th for those involved in the trip.  I have used this app in the past and it is a great way to find out where people are located and for messaging.  You may still use the Band app to post pictures. You can choose to be part of the Life 360 group and share your location or you can join and turn off your locations, but at least you can see where I am at during the trip. 

Darryl wanted for me to share this with you for the secret trip:

Hello Scouts, Scouters and parents.  I am Darryl Betz, the grubmaster for the Secret trip.  I need to know if anyone has a food allergy or is a coffee drinker.  Please call him by May 19th.  If you are gluten free or a vegan bring your own food and we will assist you in preparing it.  If there are any other questions relating to food, please call me.

Attached is the Court of Honor handout.  We will have some available at the Court of Honor meeting as well.

Here is the May Newsletter created by the PLC!

Backpacking Trip 5/14-16:

We had a lot of fun this past weekend at Zaleski.  We had two Scouts earn their Scout ranks and a few more earn advancements toward their next rank.  We slept two at two different locations, one at the State park and another night on the trail.  We hiked 8 miles with backpacks and another 4 miles without backpacks.  We had amazing weather and even when there was some precipitation, it was short and was done by morning.  We even got to stop at Dairy Queen for a treat after the hike.  There were five Scouts and two adults who went camping.  Thanks to Roland Guary for being the second adult on the trip.

Future Meeting Dates

5/18 Whole Troop Meeting at 7 pm

5/20 Pack 136 Crossover - See Elias if you can be there at 7 pm on Thursday.  We only need 3-4 Scouts.  The Pack does not want for us to use the bridge as in previous years.
5/25 Whole Troop Meeting at 7 pm
5/28-31 Secret Trip 

6/1 In person Troop meeting at 7 pm
6/8 In person Troop meeting at 7 pm
6/15 In person Troop meeting at 7 pm
6/22 In person Troop meeting at 7 pm
6/27-7/3 Ransburg Summer Camp
6/29 No Scout Meeting
7/6  In person Troop meeting at 7 pm
7/11-7/17 Chief Logan Summer Camp
7/16-7/18 Trip planned to go to Flight 93 needs to be rescheduled??
7/20 In person Troop meeting at 7 pm
7/27 In person Troop meeting at 7 pm
8/3 In person Troop meeting at 7 pm
8/10 In person Troop meeting at 7 pm
8/13-15 Firelands Scout Camp and chartered fishing??
8/17 In person Troop meeting at 7 pm
8/24 In person Troop meeting at 7 pm
8/31 In person Troop meeting at 7 pm

April

Spring Camporee:

As we start to go back to camping, you might need a packing list of supplies for a weekend campout.  Here is a good list of supplies you might want to think about bringing for a weekend of camping:  https://scoutlife.org/outdoors/outdoorarticles/6976/scout-outdoor-essentials-checklist/    If you have not looked at the weather for Saturday, you may want to check it to be sure that you have the right gear. Think about what you need to eat your meals with as well.  Utensils and plates are very important.  Water bottle as well!  :)

See you at the church at 5:30 pm.  I will be there at 5:00 pm, so if you want to arrive early to put your gear in the trailer, please do so.   We will take a picture at 5:50 pm and pull out at 6:00 pm.  Plan to be at Chief Logan at 10:00 am on Sunday to pick up your Scout!  You might want to bring some plastic bags for the muddy shoes and clothes.  :)

Shane's Eagle Scout Project:

Shane has been working hard and is about to start his project.  It has been moving at "Warp Speed" and now he needs help from volunteers to make his vision of the project become reality.

Shane is asking for help on April 24th, May 1st and May 15th.  He is aware that two of these weekends are at the same time as previously planned activities the Troop has already planned. If you are not planning to participate in the Spring Camporee on April 24th or the backpacking trip on May 15th, he hopes that you are able to help him with his project.
 
Here is the signup genius to see what he needs help with and the times to volunteer on those days:  
https://www.signupgenius.com/go/10c0d4da9a72da4f4c61-grove

I would recommend that any younger Scouts help so that you can see what it takes to one day lead your own project.  As parents, you need to watch and learn during the project when you go with your Scout.  Plan to spend some time thinking about what your son will be doing in a very short amount of time for his own Eagle Scout project.  Shane is the project manager of his Eagle Scout project.  He will not be doing the work.  He will be making the decisions and overseeing the project.  I highly recommend signing up for at least one shift to learn more about what type of planning goes into an event like this.  I am not sure how many hours Shane has so far, but I am sure he can tell you by looking at his log of hours he is tracking which includes all of the hours of others who have helped him during the many meetings he has participated in over the past two months.   I would guess it is more than 100 volunteer hours so far involved in the project and the work has not even started yet.  The most difficult part of the Eagle Scout project is the approval paperwork and planning before and after the project. The approval process and all of the changes can be a headache and is very similar to leading real projects in life.  The paperwork before and after the project is completed takes the most amount of time as compared to the actual physical involvement on the days of the project with help from volunteers.  Leadership cannot be given, you must learn how to lead others by doing.  This is a big part of the Eagle Scout project and what sets our Scouts apart from almost every other organization for youth.  Very few of them have something that fully relies on the individual Scout leading others to accomplish a vision they have worked on and planned for a period of time before the work begins.  And the paperwork that follows by explaining what changes were made and how the final project may be different or the same as what you have worked on for so long in the preparation phase.  It takes work to make it happen.

Shane, I wish you the best of luck with your project and hope you are able to make your vision become reality.  

One final reminder:  "How do you eat an elephant?  One bite at a time!"

Summer Camp:

Camp Ransburg extended the $350 through tomorrow night.  If you are still interested in going to camp this week, let me know before the meeting on Tuesday night by emailing me the permission form.

Camp Ransburg June 25-July 3:

Summer camp forms are due April 6th $350 or

Summer camp forms after April 6th $375  

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LdkC3ZM-fytJvnUW6cVPEYLxveO7eCAmLlL5YFsxGp0/edit?usp=sharing

Chief Logan July 11-17:

Summer camp forms are due Tuesday, April 6th for $300 or

Summer camp forms before Tuesday, April 27th for $320

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jDKWIAGH4VxkLN_5vdEMxjzNi6DknRV8qO74EasFYLI/edit?usp=sharing

Any new Scout Crossing over from the Pack will be the $350 for Camp Ransburg and $300 for Chief Logan

Chief Logan shirts are $12

I need to know your shirt size if you are interested in ordering a shirt for Chief Logan. 

Whole Troop Meetings:

Meetings in the future starting April 27th will be in person!  Whole Troop!  Yeah!  We will be spreading mulch on Tuesday night for the church so don't come in your field uniform (Class A).  Please wear clothes that might get dirty.  We have 270 bags of mulch to spread.

We will start wearing our field uniforms (Class A) on Tuesday, May 4th.   SPL elections will be held during this meeting and nominations for Patrol Leaders will happen.  Elections for Patrol Leader will happen the following week on May 11th.

As always, please feel free to contact me if you have questions or concerns.  I am hoping that we can start to work on the rank advancements once we start to meet in person.  We will have hand sanitizer. I will be working with the SPL to discuss ways that we can have some fun while we are still outside for these meetings.  I am hopeful and am looking forward to the creativity of the PLC as they work to create fun Scout meetings for the Troop again!

Future Meeting Dates:

4/23-4/25 Spring Camporee - permission form 

4/24 Shane's Eagle Scout Project volunteers sign up

4/27 Whole Troop Meeting for Troop at 7 pm!! Nominations for SPL

5/1 Shane's Eagle Scout Project   volunteer sign up

5/2 PLC Meeting @ 4:30 pm

5/2 Committee Meeting @ 7:00 pm

5/4 Whole Troop Meeting at 7 pm Elections for SPL and Nominations for Patrol Leaders

5/7 Gantz Farm Plant sale overnight - service hour opportunity and overnight stay at Gantz farm to watch the plants this night, bring a sleeping bag and earn some time towards service hours
5/11 Whole Troop Meeting at 7 pm Patrol Leader Elections
5/14-16 Backpacking Trip - rescheduled from last November

5/15 Shane's Eagle Scout Project volunteers sign up  
5/18 Whole Troop Meeting at 7 pm
5/25 Whole Troop Meeting at 7 pm
5/28-31 Secret Trip 

Future Deadlines:

4/27 Chief Logan $320 deposit due or it will be $350

5/4 Secret Trip money due $75 permission forms will be shared after the parent meeting on 4/18 (I am still working on the pricing of this event, but the total cost is about $75.  You will be able to choose what you want for everything based on feedback from the meeting.  I anticipate that I will share this with you on Sunday April 25th.)

March

 Hi Troop 136!

Campout:

Excellent campout this past weekend!  We had 10 Scouts and 6 adults from the Troop and 1 coordinator for the rope station, Jeff Salyers.  They qualified for two nights of camping below 32 degrees. We had a great time!  I shared the photos on the Band app.

Mulch:

This weekend we will be the mulch flyer distribution.  We will meet at Creekside @ 10:00 am - 12:00 pm.   Here is the address:  4927 Snowy Creek Dr, Grove City, OH 43123. 

Sign up here:  https://www.signupgenius.com/go/8050d49aca62fa1fe3-troop

The spreading of the mulch will happen on Friday April 16th and Saturday 17th.  We will need as many people as possible that weekend.  It is hard work, but most Scouts pay for their summer camp with the money they earn during the mulch sale.

Meetings:  We have been working on a location for us to meet in person.  We will probably start out with some Patrol Meetings and virtual Troop Meetings when we start meetings in person again.  Once we have more details to share with you about the location.  As of right now, we are not able to meet inside the church, but once warmer weather starts, I am hopeful that we will be able to meet again in small groups and then eventually move to full Troop in person meetings soon.  All of this depends on the Covid restrictions.

Order of the Arrow Elections:

We will have the Order of the Arrow elections tonight.  Here are the requirements to be considered by the fellow Scouts in the Troop:

• Be a registered member of the Boy Scouts of America. 

• The youth must have experienced 15 nights of Scout BSA camping while registered with a troop or team within the two years immediately prior to the election. The 15 nights must include one, but no more than one, long-term camp consisting of at least dive consecutive nights of overnight camping, approved and under the auspices and standards of the BSA. Only dive nights of the long-term camp may be credited toward the 15-night camping requirement. The remaining 10 nights must be overnight, weekend, or other short-term camps of, at most, three nights each.

• Youth must be under the age of 21, hold the BSA First Class rank or higher, and following approval by the Scoutmaster, be elected by the youth members of their troop. Members are elected to the OA by their fellow Scouts. The OA is unique in that nonmembers are often the ones that elect Scouts in their troop for membership.

• Adults (age 21 or older) who are registered in the BSA and meet the camping requirements may be selected following nomination to the lodge adult selection committee. Adult selection is based on their ability to perform the necessary functions to help the Order fulfill its purpose, and is not for recognition of service, including current or prior positions. Selected adults must be an asset to the Order because of demonstrated abilities; and must provide a positive example for the growth and development of the youth members of the lodge.

 • The induction ceremony, called the Ordeal, is the first step toward full membership in the Order. During the experience, candidates maintain silence, receive small amounts of food, work on camp improvement projects, and sleep apart from other campers. The entire experience is designed to teach significant values. All candidates for membership must complete the Ordeal.     

Future Events:

3/9 Virtual Meeting

3/13 Spreading Mulch Flyers @ Creekside 10:00 am - 12:00 pm

3/16 Virtual Meeting

3/20 Velocity Archery - Day activity?  More details soon...

3/23 Virtual Meeting (Maybe Pie Mr. Freeman??)

3/30 No Meeting - Spring Break

4/6 Virtual Meeting

4/11 PLC Meeting @ 4:30 pm

4/11 Committee Meeting @ 7:00 pm

4/13 Virtual Meeting

4/16-4/17 Mulch spreading

4/20 Virtual Meeting

4/27 Virtual Meeting

February

 NYLT Completion: 

Congratulations goes to Alex, Shane and Zach on the completion of their NYLT and for receiving their Bolos on Sunday.  These Scouts attended the NYLT training during the pandemic last fall and completed three goals to help the Troop become a better Troop.  They completed their ceremony on Sunday, but only family members could attend.  I am sure they have pictures they will want to share on the Band app with everyone to encourage other Scouts to set this as a goal for themselves.

Are you interested in attending NYLT?

If you are First Class and are looking for a way to improve your leadership skills, think about attending NYLT this year, or make plans for 2022 if you might earn First Class this year.  If you are interested in attending NYLT, there are still a few spots left for the training in June:

NYLT Simon Kenton Course: April 16-18 and April 30- May 2  (0 spaces available)  

NYLT Nagatamen course: June 6-12, 2021 (0 spaces available)  

NYLT Trailblazer Course: June 14-19, 2021  (21 Remaining spaces available on February 8)

NYLT True North Course: June 20-26, 2021 (15 Remaining spaces available on February 8)

Please let me know if you have any questions.  If you are interested, a $100 deposit is required for the Troop to pay for your spot.  The Troop will pay the $200 for your son to attend.  You will receive your $100 deposit back after your son completes the course and earns the Bolo like these three Scouts did on Sunday.  The Troop will invest in your son to attend the training because we feel this training benefits the Troop.  We ask that you make the deposit money to encourage him to attend and complete his Bolo requirements. The completion of the Bolo is not just the course completion, but also the additional work needed to complete the Bolo recognition.  The skills they learn in NYLT benefit the Troop. Their three goals they create during the NYLT training help the Troop and achieve success in various ways.   Thanks again for your effort Alex, Shane and Zach.   

Summer Camp Presentation:

Noah Boksansky from Beaumont Scout Reservation will be at our meeting tomorrow night.  He is excited to share with you some information about their camp.  Below is what he sent to me to share with you before his presentation tomorrow night:

 

The main link that your Scouts can check out is https://lecbsa.org/scouts-bsa-resident-camp, which includes our Leader’s Guide, Merit Badge offerings, weekly schedule, and some photos/videos. There are also some great photos available at https://www.flickr.com/photos/153319528@N02/albums/72157709384619291. (note that these are from 2019)

 

For your fellow unit leaders, I am also including a link to our 2020 Field Guide for Operations, which is our health department-approved plan for operations in 2020 and beyond under COVID guidelines. We were one of 60 Scout camps in the country to hold resident camp this past year, and we did so with zero active COVID cases or contacts traced back to our program. It is definitely not an ‘exciting’ read, but many leaders have found it valuable to read through our action plan.

Cold Weather Camping Discussion and Decision:

I am planning to discuss the backpacking trip after the summer camp presentation tomorrow night.  It looks like it will be very cold next weekend with highs in the 20s and 30s and lows in the 10s and 20s.  Maybe it might be too cold for a backpacking trip with some of the newer Scouts.  We will need to talk as a Troop about what the Scouts want to do.  Scouts, be prepared to ask questions about the trip and to help the PLC make a decision.  The PLC members will be looking for some feedback from the Scouts in the Troop to help make a decision about the camping trip. 

Camping in the cold weather:

Here are some items that I wanted to share regarding cold weather camping.  This link is about cold-weather hiking trips sent to me by Roland.  It has great advice and it a lengthy email with a lot of information related to the cold weather.  Here is another link for how to dress in layers for the cold weather.  This is great information whether we plan to go backpacking next weekend or not.  Information like this is something you might want to keep for future reference.

Secret Trip in May Meeting:

This meeting will occur after the Troop meeting tomorrow night.  We will be discussing the logistics and event planning for the trip.  We ask that you not be in a location where the Scouts will hear about the trip.  I will refer to the Secret location during the trip, but will let you know before I share the location with you so that you may go to another location of the house or room where they may not hear.  Many of you already know of the location because we talked about it last year about this same time and had to delay the trip until this year.  I am sure you will have many questions.  Please do not share or allow your Scout the location of the trip.  We plan to share this with them as we meet in the parking lot right before we leave to go on the trip.  It will be an amazing experience that everyone will enjoy!  See you tomorrow night!

January

Next Campout: A few items that we need to share from the Committee Meeting last week. Our first organized campout/event is planned for March 5-7. This is the first weekend of the Maple Syrup Festival. We are planning to sleep in tents at Camp Lazarus. The cost of the trip will only be the cost of the food. We will need to have a cracker barrel for Friday night, Saturday breakfast, dinner and breakfast on Sunday. Lunch on Saturday will be provided by the staff.

Advancement: A few of us were talking that we also needed to have an advancement meeting as well. More to come on this later.